Saturday, March 31, 2012

Number eighteen


JOUR 1111 WEEK FIVE LECTURE
SOUND
Conversations with Richard Fidler

Telling stories for radio
Radio is a completely different medium to television
Radio much more intimate medium

Listeners must feel included- must be facilitator of this as radio presenter- keep listener involved in conversation

Conversations (Richard's radio)- differs from conventional radio interview of around 7 minutes tops- Conversations have hour long interviews- biographical- well known or people never heard of- pre-interview and research required to decide whether story will sustain for hour?

Long form interview, is it scary space to occupy? With pre-production, confidence that story will work comes- pre-interviewed, briefed, subject trusts what will happen in show.

Sometimes guests who are experienced media operators can fall into mode- stories that they’ve told millions of times- different approach by interviewer needed- teasing, joking, laughing, to bring them back into interest

Memorable moments- guests remember things for the first time- when people surprise themselves- have enough trust in program to give insight- sitting back, giving guests space to pause and reflect, let them prompt themselves with their own stories
  • Never be afraid of silence
  • Silence is powerful

Radio taking on new forms of media- show seamlessly transforming into podcasts- fitting into social media environment


Richard's picture of his audience- visualises his young wife, young babies stuck at home- listeners who need local radio to keep them up to date with what is happen- need a bit of a break, a laugh

With his radio show comes a sense of public service to listeners


Richard's pearls of wisdom:
wordliness is good
reading the paper
keep asking question
 be open minded
expose yourself to thoughts and ideas of people you don’t agree with
 try and expand your world view

I really appreciated listening to Richard's insights into the world of radio. He made the connection that he has with both listeners and guests seem so intimate and he conveyed the genuine interest he has in connecting with both.

Number seventeen


Jour1111 lecture week 3
TEXT
What is text?
  • ·         Fast flexible control
  • ·         Make text do what you want
  • ·         Edit cut paste
  • ·         Mould into what you want
  • ·         Different platforms
  • ·         Portable
  • ·         Pen and paper, laptop
  • ·         Searchable- online dominates


Inverted pyramid
Most/very important à less important

How to choose important information?
News values- conflict, control, power, money, sex, drugs, rock and roll (how have news values changed in new society, different societies)

Lists of news values made by academics and define your job as a journalist

who what when where why how

Newspapers- most important news stories- top left
Online- hypertexts- general jist of story given in headline and then readers can go an explore further into story via other links- to other features
Online platforms allow possibilities print doesn’t

Text is
  • ·         Story content
  • ·         Headlines
  • ·         Captions
  • ·         Pull quotes
  • ·         Break out boxes
  • ·         Links

Good intro- stand up to provide insight into story
Entice readers to go on and read
Text is fundamental online- headlines dominate
Online provides layers of stories

Print- complex content management systems- makes print, online editions and then different versions of online and print editions for different regional areas. Print stories need to be written so they can be altered for these different editions

Text- control and skill with words- craft them to make them work in all different spaces- word craft- mastering medium of text

Headline writing- contain verb- true and correct- doesn’t matter if don’t have pun- bad pun can detract from story- controversial stories- headlines can get you into trouble

Text- social platforms, social technology- email, tweets, socially driven. Aware of how story will go out there in different media/ platform- barriers between medium because clouded- how will your story appear on twitter, facebook etc- these things happen automatically



Text is- metadata, excerpts, tags- inserting tags/ keywords, so your story can be searched and found easily. Mastering of text and tagging important because you want people to be able to find your stories- keywords matter in search
Search engines look for quality of links

my thoughts on this lecture? well I now understand why Google always tries to read your mind! Metadata! Keywords! 
I found the whole lecture very interesting. I never realised the depth the print journalists have to go to within the online media, my perception was that the journalists that wrote for newspapers differed from those who wrote for online sources. 
When considering news values, a number of questions pop into my head. How has news values changed over time? Because as the times change, new technologies are invented, new people come into prominence and others fall out, the news that society cares about definitely change. Therefore the type of news that the most emphasis is placed on must change with it. 
Studying journalism excites me. We have lecturers who have been in the industry for decades, and so the changes they must have seen within their time in journalism would be dramatic. Imagine what the future for my generation of journalists holds! So excited for faster-paced, next class technologies!

Number sixteen


LECTURE TWO! VIA THE LECTURE RECORDING! So I wasn't there for this one, but listening online still got lots of thinking happening
(my impressions are in italics)
"Old Media" vs. Web 1.0 vs. Web 2.0 vs Web 3.0
FOCUSES ON: traditional media vs. companies vs. social groups vs. individuals
"Old media"- newspapers, magazines, radio, tv
"...instruments of mass communication targeting large aggregated audiences..." Harrison
Even though its supposedly "old media", in my opinion this doesn't necessarily make it "outdated media". I still receive my magazine subscriptions every month and read the newspaper (almost) every morning. Although it may be imminent that reading a newspaper at Sunday morning breakfast will be surpassed by using your iPad to log into your online account to access the news, I feel there will always remain a sense of nostalgia and romance with "old media", and this will keep it alive.
Web 1.0- Information Web
-Advertising friendly, basically online content surrounded by advertising, and extension of offline media
Web 2.0- Social Web
-Facebook, Sykpe, Twitter etc.
-Introduction of "PROD-USERS"- Producers-Users
"...modes of production which are led by users... user acts as a hybrid user/producer virtually throughout the production process..."
Web 3.0- Semantic Web
-Meaning, making sense of information
-Takes 1.0 and 2.0 a step further. "...machine- readable meaning to the packets of information..."- David Bradley
-META-TAGGING- HTML tag that provide information about a webpage
-Tagging- where you are, what you want to do, what can the web suggest you do using all the information gathered
To me this just sounds like we are creating brains for computers and they are starting to think for themselves. I know it is actually only this highly intelligent machine, purely using the information WE provide it to make educated suggestions and recommendations for users. but still. computers are taking over the world.
What does this mean for news?
-Hyperlocalisation- News specifically for you, your suburb, your information- "News my way"
Entitlement: Is it the death of journalism?
-Newspapers have always been paid for by classifieds, but with the death of classifieds due to eBay, and the dominance of web news, is it now time to pay?
-As web news has always been cheap and available, will people be willing to pay for something they believe they are entitled to for free?
-"high quality journalism" and "add-ons" are being marketed to the public as an incentive to subscribe to newspapers online -but what if people don't subscribe? what does this mean for investigative journalism?
-taking time and money, investigative journalism is compromised if there is no funding
the advancement of the web and how news is delivered to the public is somewhat a catch 22. There is no denying we all believe we are entitled to web news for free, but where this leaves the future of investigative journalism is worrying. We are curious beings, hungry for new and interesting information, but without money, and therefore without investigative journalism, where does that leave society? Bored? Restless? Yearning for more but not having resources to find it? As journalism students, staring the future of the industry right in the face, we should consider what we as individuals and as a cohort, can do. The future starts now.

Friday, March 30, 2012

JOUR 1111 Assessment Item One


My name is Chloe Hill, I am a Journalism student at UQ, an elite rower and my life is one never-ending day-by-day cycle of media and production usage. Before this assignment, I would describe my daily routine fairly simply as: wake, train, eat, work, eat, train, eat, sleep, (with ‘work’ swapped for ‘uni’ a couple of days per week). However, since recording my media and production usage for a period of 10 days, the perspective I have of my daily life has been greatly shifted.


Media is all around us, we can’t escape it. With the portability of internet via phones, laptops and other devices, we can now connect with media while on the move, straight from our bag or back pocket.
As shown in the graph above, my most extensively used sources of media are my phone, radio and internet. When recording my phone usage, I accounted for time spent both texting and using the Facebook and Gmail applications. However, when recording internet usage, I separated general surfing from Facebook and Gmail, hence the less frequent figures in the two end columns.

There are a number of trends in my results that can be explained by the schedule I follow week by week:

  • ·         The days I train both in the morning and evening, radio usage is high due to more time spent travelling.
  • ·         On both Thursdays (15th and 22nd March), phone usage was low as I don’t train Thursday afternoons and spend the afternoon at home, with lesser a need to contact people.
  • ·         I only listen to my iPod while at the gym, on Monday, Wednesday and Friday

When re-reading over the blogs I posted, outlining my routine and media usage day-by-day, I have come to associate high phone and radio usage, with days when I am home less often or not at all. Being away from my computer and internet, creates a need for me to connect to media via other means, hence my phone is pulled out and used, til the battery runs absolutely dry.

On average, per day, my media and production usage resulted in:
  • ·         Phone- 116 minutes
  • ·         Radio- 117 minutes
  • ·         Internet- 72.5 minutes
  • ·         iPod- 59 minutes
  • ·         TV- 18 minutes
  • ·         Newspaper- 2 minutes
  • ·         Facebook- 21 minutes
  • ·         Gmail- 4.5 minutes

So what does this 10 day recording period say about my relationship with Journalism and Communication?

I am a communications addict. Over the 10 days I spent close to 20 hours using my phone, which is close enough to one whole day of texting, Facebook-ing and emailing. If the essence of Journalism is telling stories, then my life is one constant journalistic ride of telling and retelling stories and ideas to family and friends, via the social media and communication.

How do my usage results compare with that of my peers?

None of my results are overly different or varied from my peers, as most of my results fall into the majority. I am not an iPhone user; I fall into the 13.4% with an “other” brand of smartphone, however, like 95.4% of my peers, I have and use the Facebook application on my phone. My internet usage falls just 4 minutes per day short of the 2-3 hours per day majority, however I am sure that if my schedule allowed for it, I would easily be within that category. I am in the minority in terms of listening to the radio. While a 53.9% majority listen to less than an hour of radio per day, I am within the 10.9% of the cohort who listen 1-2 hours per day. This higher usage amount is once again due to my busy training schedule, and the hours I spend in the car travelling each day.

Media and production rules our society. It is ever-expanding, allowing users more and more opportunities to connect with the rest of the world. It seems we have no choice but to embrace the always changing media and communication opportunities, and I personally, am excited for what is next to come.




Monday, March 26, 2012

Number fifteen

Huzzah! 10 days was done on Saturday! Winner!




Now to compile a whole lot of information and try and write something about it....

Sunday, March 25, 2012

Number fourteen

Ive got a feeling this could be my tenth day... should probably check

Saturday 24th March

woke up, went to rowing, rowed, packed up the shed, had a shower, got dressed (radio- 20 mins, phone 20 mins)
drove to Roasters for an iced coffee for breakfast (radio- 5 mins, phone- 10 mins)
drove with a few of the girls down to Coomera for a regatta (radio-70 mins, phone- 30 mins)
sat at the regatta for hours, handing out bow numbers (phone- 20 mins)
drove home to Brisbane (radio- 70 mins, phone- 30 mins)
went  home, showered again, blogged, napped, jumped on the spin bike for an hour (general surfing- 30 mins, TV- 60 mins, phone- 30 mins)
got ready, went out to pre drinks at a friends place (radio- 15 mins, phone- 15 mins)
drove home and went to bed :) (radio- 15 mins)

total:
radio-195 mins
phone- 155 mins
TV- 60 mins
general surfing- 30 mins (blogging)



Saturday, March 24, 2012

Number thirteen

media use log for friday 23rd of march

1: woke up, drove to rowing (radio- 20mins)
2: rowed
3:showered, got dressed, drove to physio (radio- 15 mins, phone 15 mins)
4:suffered through physio
5:drove to work through awful traffic (radio- 30 mins, phone- 15 mins)
6:worked (phone- 10 mins)
7:came home and baked and blogged (general surfing- 60 mins, phone- 30 mins)
8.had a power nap
9.drove to training (radio-30 mins)
10.trained (iPod- 120 mins, phone- 20 mins)
11.drove home in more awful traffic (radio- 30mins)
12.got home, showered, got dressed for dinner, drove to dinner (radio- 15 mins, phone- 20 mins)
13.had dinner with the girls!
14.drove home (radio- 15 mins)
15.got home, sat on Facebook mindlessly doing nothing (Facebook- 45 mins, phone- 20 mins)
16. went to bed

total:
radio- 160 mins (my goodness thats ridiculous)
phone- 130 mins
general surfing- 60 mins (included using a recipe directly off a webpage, blogging, and listening to Ballpark Music's like a version)
Facebook- 45 mins
iPod- 120 mins

Friday, March 23, 2012

Number twelve

Thursday 22/3/12

woke up, got ready for work, went to work (phone- 10 mins)
worked!!!! (phone- 30 mins)
walked home in the rain, baked muffins and banana bread (phone- 10 mins)
drove to training (radio-30 mins)
trained (iPod- 50 mins)
showered, got dressed for dinner, drove to Kedron (radio- 30 mins, phone- 20 mins)
drove with Matt to New Farm for dinner at the most amazing french restaurant (radio- 20 mins)
had the most amazing french dinner
drove back to Kedron, then drove home (radio- 50 mins)
went to bed yay!

total:
phone- 70 mins
radio- 130 mins
iPod- 50 mins

Thursday, March 22, 2012

Number eleven

WEDSNESDAY 21/3/2012

got up, went to rowing, rowed, got off the water, got dressed (radio- 20 mins)
went to breaky, drank iced chai yum (phone- 20 mins)
drove to work, worked (radio- 30 mins, phone- 30 mins)
went home, ate lunch, sat on blogger and the computer for a couple hours doing uni stuff (phone- 30 mins, general surfing- 150 mins)
went to training in the afternoon and did weights (radio- 30 mins, phone- 30 mins)
drove home (radio- 30 mins)
had a shower, ate dinner, chilled out (phone- 15 mins)

total:
radio- 110 mins
phone- 125 mins
general surfing- 150 mins (including blogging, printing out and rereading lectures and searching for recipes)

peace out

Wednesday, March 21, 2012

Number ten

LECTURE FOUR! 
PICTURES
Picture stories are everywhere!
From way back in history pictures have been telling stories- indigenous cave stories, holy books and stained glass windows, illuminated letters, newspapers illustrated with line drawings.....
The first published photograph in a newspaper was in 1879 in The Daily Graphic, with the first colour photo published in 1936.
But since then, what developments have we seen in photo journalism???
- digital capture and upload
-photoshop
-digital manipulation
I went back onto YouTube to find the Dove Beauty Evolution ad to repost up here, and while I was searching found so many 'before and after photoshop' videos! The technology that photographers have today and the ability it gives them to manipulate photos to achieve a more desired look is INCREDIBLE! Here is one video example: 

My Goodness. No wonder my generation have body image issues! I have no inclination to turn this into a 'media is giving teens body image issues' rant, but I can't help but wonder what kind of a world we would live in, if photoshop and retouching had never been created. Back to developments in photo journalism...
- digital publishing
-photo galleries attached to stories online

What makes a great photo?
FRAMING
FOCUS- where the eye goes
ANGLE AND POINT OF VIEW (POV)
TIMING- shutter speed
CAPTURING "THE MOMENT"
THE RULE OF THIRDS
I went on my own little research mission to find a picture that really connected with me, using the rule of thirds. And there a countless incredible image online to be found, but what I stumbled across, was a blog post, suggesting a ratio with a different and inexplicable, naturally occurring preference towards it: The Golden Mean. 
The Golden Mean is the ratio and series of numbers that Fibonacci figured out, and I'm not very interested in maths or numbers, but somehow all the numbers laid out make a spiral. When a photo is composed with major parts falling along the lines or intersections of the spiral it makes our eyes and brains happy.
 And I definitely don't fully understand it so that is definitely a tutorial question for next week....read the post here!
But here are some of the spiral pictures!



What makes a great moving picture?
FRAMING
TIMING (& EDITING)
INCLUSION OF SOUND
CAPTURING 'THE MOMENT'
FOCUS
ANGLE
EXPOSURE

Video Journalism- THE NEW TV JOURNO
-a one person operation and way of the future

I really enjoyed Lecture 4. It gave me a lot of insight and knowledge into the depth of emotion that can be exposed in a subject and therefore drawn out of the audience, through capturing the perfect picture utilizing all elements of photography well. I now understand the importance of photos supporting stories and even telling stories themselves, they add a feeling of realness and reality that could not be achieved purely through words.
Here are some portraits that I find tell stories by themselves





Number nine

I'm sick of blogging about uni, I just want to post pretty pictures 










Number eight

monday 20th of march media and production use diary.


Firstly, before I log, I would like to mention a discovery I just made. There is a 'compose' tab and a 'HTML' tag on blogger. So for the last 7 posts I've been struggling along trying to add my own HTML because I thought that was the only way... when really.... 'compose' does it all for you. Devastated.

Anyway, onto my usage diary for yesterday....

Monday March 20:
Woke up, drove to training (radio- 20 mins)
Finished training (12km kangaroo point run), ate breaky, showered and got ready for uni, all while using my phone to check emails (phone- 15 mins, Gmail- 15 mins)
Caught the Citycat to uni (phone- 10 mins)
Sat through JOUR1112 lecture, texted a bit (REBEL!) (phone- 10 mins)
Went to lunch at Comfort in Milton (baby spinach, red onion, pear, feta and candied walnut salad with smoked salmon yum) with my gorgeous boyfriend (phone- 5 mins)
Back to uni, COMU1999 lecture and tutorial (no phone usage!!)
Citycatted back across to West End and back to the shed for training (phone- 15 mins)
Trained, died, came back to life
Drove home in ridiculous traffic (radio-30 mins, phone- 15 mins)
Got home, showered, ate dinner
Watched MKR on TV while also chilling on Facebook on my phone (TV- 60 mins, phone-60 mins, Facebook- 60 mins)
Went to bed, exhausted

Graannddd tottaaalll:
phone: 130 mins
radio: 50 mins
Gmail: 15 mins
TV: 60 mins
Facebook: 60 mins


Monday, March 19, 2012

Number seven

media and production use today, 19th of March (Monday)
woke up, drove to rowing (radio- 20 mins)
went rowing, mucked around the shed for a bit (phone- 10 mins)
drove home (radio- 25 mins)
got ready for work, drove to work, made coffee at work (radio 5- mins, phone- 30 mins)
drove to West End, caught Citycat into uni (radio- 25 mins, phone- 20 mins)
chilled around uni for a bit, went into JOUR1111 lecture 4! (phone- 30 mins)
Citycatted back to West End, went to training (phone- 10 minutes)
trained for a few hours in the gym (phone- 30 mins)
drove home, ate the best slow cooked lamb for dinner (!!!!), blogged this(radio- 25 mins, phone- 20 mins, general surfing- 10 mins)
watched my kitchen rules (tv- 60 mins)
BED!
todays total:
radio- 100 mins
phone- 150 mins
tv- 60 mins
general surfing: 10 mins
notice today i didn't get on the internet nearly as much as usual because i was hardly at home!

Sunday, March 18, 2012

Number six

SUNDAY SUNDAY SUNDDDAAAYYYYYY 18TH MARCH

Woke up to a phone call (phone- 5 mins)
Drove to UQ then Sherwood then UQ then Kedron then Chermside (radio- 70 mins, phone- 20 mins)
Went winter jacket shopping, had a coffee, got dropped at Bretts Wharf citycat terminal (radio- 20 mins, phone- 5 mins)
Mindlessly sat on the citycat browsing the internet and texting (phone- 45 mins, general surfing- 40 mins)
Arrived at UQ citycat stop where car was parked, drove home (radio- 15 mins)
Got home and slept
Woke up, made a cup of choc mint chai tea (to die for!) and got on the computer to write this! and do other uni work and general Facebook stalking (general surfing- 180 mins, Facebook- 30 mins, phone- 15 mins)
Ate dinner
BED
Total time for SUNDDDAAAAYYYYY:
phone- 90 mins
radio- 105 mins
general surfing*: 220 mins
Facebook: 30 mins
*general surfing today included: listening to lectures online, bloggginggggg, internet shopping and finding a cinnamon muffins recipe)

Number five

Oops! I went away for week 2 and have been playing catch-up a bit ever since, so here are my little musings on lectures one and two (which admittedly, I watched online)
LECTURE ONE!
Got me excited!
After taking a gap year last year, I was rearing to get my brain back into the studying life and get those intelligence juices flowing. JOUR 1111 Lecture One was the perfect way to start.
As I meandered my way through the campus, under the arches of the great hall, and into the depth of the Forgan Smith building, anticipation was building!
As well as the general, "welcome to the course, this is what you'll be covering this semester" introduction, a number of topics were covered, that made me really assess why I personally had chosen to study journalism, and what I hope to achieve out of this course.
Why Journalism?
-It is there
-It can tell us about ourselves
The "Study" of journalism vs. the "Doing"
Study: -media studies -intellectual/analytical -by academics for academics -worthwhile but not everything
Doing: -practical -industry based -worthwhile but not everything
"Telling Factual Stories"
What did I personally achieve out of this lecture?
~A hunger to learn and develop skills that will set me up in the industry in the future
~An awareness of how multi-faceted the journalism industry is
~Excitement that I can pursue so many of my loves all WITHIN journalism!

Number four

soooo media usage for Saturday 17 March

Woke up very early to fill out an online coaches course (general surfing- 150 mins)
went back to bed, woke up again, went on blogger for a bit (general surfing- 20 mins, phone- 10 mins)
went to an all day coaches course, resorted back to Facebook Mobile and texting when it got boring...(radio- 30 mins, Facebook- 40 mins, phone 40 mins)
starving, went with friends to indooroopilly for food and to buy birthday presents (radio- 20 mins, phone- 20 mins)
went home and slept, ate and got dressed (radio- 10 mins, phone- 10 mins)
drove to a friends place, assembled and iced a double layer nutella cake with peanut butter frosting and chocolate ganache (radio- 20 mins, phone- 20 mins)
drove to two other friends' birthday cocktails and spent the evening there (radio- 20 mins, phone- 30 mins)
drove home, retreated to my bed (radio- 20 mins)

Total time for Saturday!:
general surfing*: 170 mins
phone: 130 mins
Facebook: 40 mins
radio: 120 mins

* general surfing today included: filling out and online coaches course and blogging on blogger

happy weekend

Saturday, March 17, 2012

Number three

oops, forgot to log for yesterday...
Friday 16 March
woke up, got driven to training, checked emails on phone will be driven (phone- 25 mins, Gmail- 25 mins, radio- 25 mins)
used phone a bit during training (phone- 15 mins)
drove home from training, got ready, walked to work (radio- 25 mins)
used phone occasionally at work, read the newspaper (phone- 15 mins, newspaper- 20 mins) came home from work, baked a blue-green marbled white chocolate cake, starting filling out an online coaches course (phone- 10 mins, general surfing- 50 mins)
drove to rowing in the afternoon, listened to The Doctor (radio- 25 mins, phone 20 mins)
drove to the car repair place and picked up my car!!! (radio- 20 mins)
drove MYSELF around various places including to a friends place and Dan Murphy's (radio- 40 mins, phone- 5 mins)
came home, iced the cake (under the sea themed), had a shower, put my face on (phone- 10 mins)
drove to a friend's 18th (radio- 15 mins)
listened and/or danced to music at the 18th (music- 180 mins)

i spend a lot of time in the car listening to the radio...
the JJJ presenters are probably my closest friends...

Total for day two!:
phone*- 100 mins
Gmail- 25 mins
radio- 150 mins
newspaper- 20 mins
music- 180 mins
general surfing**- 50 mins

*phone usage can be split into 70 mins texting, 30 mins Facebook
**today general surfing included: youTubing Bon Iver and doing an online coaches course

Thursday, March 15, 2012

Number two

Logging my media and production use for 10 days.

I'm scared of how confronting this is going to be...

Thursday 15 March
woke up... checked phone, replied to a few texts from the night before (phone- 5 mins)
had breakfast... jumped on internet for 25 (Facebook- 5 min, Gmail- 10 mins, general surfing- 10 mins)
went for a run, got ready for work, walked to work and used phone simultaneously (phone- 25 mins)
worked... used phone sporadically throughout morning (phone- 30 mins, Facebook 10 mins)
walked home from work... ate lunch and got on internet for 15 (Facebook- 5 mins, general surfing- 10 mins, phone- 10 mins)
drove to training with the radio on (radio- 25 mins)
pushed through 70 minutes on rowing machine while listening to ipod (iPod- 70 mins)
drove home with the radio on (radio- 25 mins)
ate dinner and got this blog underway! (blogger- 60 mins, Facebook- 15 mins, phone- 10 mins, general surfing- 15 mins)
BED!

Total for today Day 1:
phone- 80 mins
Facebook- 35 mins
Gmail- 10 mins
general surfing*- 35 mins
radio- 50 mins
iPod- 70 mins

*general surfing today included- internet shopping (browsing) and google image searching "little mermaid cake" and "orion nebula"....

BED!

Number One

I don't expect anyone will read this. Except maybe my future self looking back in horror. Hey future Chloe. Cringing yet?

Maybe I'll get a few profile views from a tutor being paid to mark this blog... that could be exciting...

Either way, Welcome JOUR1111 tutors to my fresh blog, and welcome back future Chloe, I hope I'm not too embarrassing to reminisce with.